To Believe means to Obey John 3:16

An excerpt from http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/images/stories/Salvation/John%203%2016.pdf

John 3:16:Obeying Unto Christ Should Save?

Introduction

When the English translations of the Greek New Tes- tament were made in the 1526-1611 period, the “difficult Greek in which the New Testament is written…still held mys- teries for” English scholars. (Nicolson: 224.) One of those mysteries was the Greek word pisteuo in John 3:16. In over 200 instances of pisteuo in the New Testament, not once did the King James Bible render it as obey. (See Strong’s Concor- dance.) However, scholars now realize obey was a common meaning of pisteuo in ancient Greek. Obey certainly was the meaning of pisteuo in John 3:36 (see page 448). Yet, this obe- dience salvation formula is identically repeated in John 3:16.

Besides John 3:36 helping, one can more easily accept pisteou means obeys in John 3:16 when one looks at Apostle John’s many quotes of Jesus about obedience. Jesus in John 8:51 says “whoever keeps on obeying (tereo) My Teaching

should never ever die.”1 In John 15:1-10, Jesus says a “branch in me” that does not “bear fruit” is “taken away,”

“cut off from the vine,” thrown “outside and burned.” 2 John likewise quoted Jesus saying in total accord:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good [things], unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil [things], unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28-29 KJV).

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Suffice to say that the Paulinists love to quote John 3:16 in order support the faith only doctrine of Paul using Jn 3:16 as their proof text that Yahshua taught the same as Paul, which is ludicrous at best.

‘…that whosever obeys Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.’

In this rendering of John 3:16 it is more than apparent that the salvation that Yahshua taught is completely predicated upon obedience to His teachings.  Something that Paul says in 2 Cor 5:16 is also now null and void.

2 Cor 5:16 is easily swallowed by those born of Paul seeing as how Paul claims to be their father thru his spurious and apostate gospel.

However for those who are actually born from above via the Word of Truth that is sown in them this defining of the original Greek word ‘Pisteuo’ meaning ‘to obey’ as opposed to the passive ‘believe’ or faith only’ is simply verification of what they already knew instinctively.

This is a bit off topic, but folks the lines are being drawn even as it was in the days of Elijah when the prophets of Baal came out to contest Elijah.  What did Elijah say?  ‘How long halt ye between two opinions, if YHVH be God then serve Him, if Baal then serve him!

As it was then, so it is now.  Nobody knows the numbers of this very small remnant that have come out of Pauline anti-christ, but again suffice to say maybe a half a million or more as opposed to nearly 800,000,000 million that follow Paul.  In rounded off numbers that is about 0.000625 percent of the whole.  Count yourself exceedingly blessed if you are one of this infinitesimal remnant who Obey the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah.

Truly Yahshua said ‘will the Son of Man find faith when comes?’

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  • I’m a little confused her and for give me im trying to understand .
    When I first came to the lord eight years ago I didn’t know how to read the bible and I thank the holy spirit taking time with me and helped me read.
    One of the first things that came to my understanding was obedience towards his word when God said be perfect for I am perfect I took it as we can’t be perfect with in our selves but with the help of the holy spirit he causes me to walk perfect in his love and understanding towards them around me so ether I’m obedient towards that or I’m not.
    I believe gods love is unconditional but his promises are conditional
    and its threw are obedience that sets us apart from everybody else in the world and if Jesus says if you love me you will obey my commandments that can only happen threw my obedience towards him and it gives me the choice to listen to it or be disobedient towards it that choice is up to me to receive it or reject it.
    I no in the old testament was all about the law that came threw moses but grace and mercy came by Jesus Christ does that mean I don’t have to obey the lord and if that’s the case I can keep robin and stealing and selling drugs to people and if that’s the case it would be once saved always saved and I don’t believe that concept that’s false doctrine to me from what I understand we are to lay down are will for him and walk in obedience towards his word remember man should not live off of bread alone but every word that comes from the mouth of God and that happens only threw obediance
    Like I said forgive me if I’m wrong I’m trying to understand how does obedience have to do with law thank you and forgive me if I’m wrong.

    • Part of the problem is the overt mistranslation of the word Torah…it was changed to the word Law. The Torah is far more than rules and regulations,,,in it are the Feasts of God…Passover and Unleavened for instance. To do this feast is obedience. What are the results of this obedience? Think ‘Tree of Life’ yeah I know that’s out there, however this feast as all of them … prophesy … Unleavened bread prophesies of the total purging of ALL falsehood and hypocrisy. Imagine if you will, God purging the depths of your being via very intense in-fillings of the Holy Spirit…The Spirit of Truth! Adam fell because he believed and obeyed the LIE…God thru this feast delivers you at the very core of your being from the lie. The cross and the feast of unleavened bread are inseparable, one and the same. To put it another way obedience..ie..doing this feast not only lays the ax to root of the tree (Tree of the knowledge of good and evil) but it catapults you to the Tree of Life..I say this from personal experience…because that’s what happened to me.
      So in essence the Torah..Law is the road map back to paradise…and yet without Yahshua this is impossible because once you go to the tree of life and have your own little feast in it’s branches your very consciousness is forever changed and you will know that while you are staring at it…the cost is a forever thing…make the right choice and you will become the Word made flesh. The Word of God is your soul, your consciousness. The Word becomes the very source of your being. An unbroken permanent mega connection with the Maker of Heaven and Earth…yeah The Creator.

      So try to think of Salvation from God’s standpoint…it aint just a temporary bandaid. Or rather what did salvation mean to Adam and Eve? Restoration to the Paradise of God and the Tree of Life. The Torah is the road home, Yahshua, the Word of Truth, The Lamb of God will lead you there but it is absolutely necessary that you follow and do HIS instructions.

      Great Question brother
      Thanks Michael

  • So, if pisteuo primarily means to obey then the immediate question is, obey to what degree? Isn’t the command to “Be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect”? Who among us keeps or can ever keep the whole law without spot or blemish in word, deed, and intent? None of us, right? I haven’t seen a lesser standard put forth in scripture like “Try your best.”, or “Do what you can”. So the next question is, after having applied to Christ for forgiveness and salvation through his blood and yet still failing to obey, to what shall we apply for forgiveness and salvation the second time, and the third, etc. It is an endless loop. We trample all over the blood of the Son on that path. The law cannot save…it is a taskmaster given to drive us to Christ. You are locking yourself away from the gospel and the free gift of God. You are straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel. You are trying to earn what cannot be earned by sinful flesh. All of our righteous acts are like filthy rags before a Holy God. Letting go of trust in everything else, especially our own ability to obey, and resting everything on Christ is the only hope. That is the beginning of the process of sanctification in the Spirit whereby we LEARN obedience. Obedience does not obtain or maintain salvation it is something we grow into BECAUSE we have been saved. We are chastened and disciplined because we are ALREADY sons. Obedience is the product of the indwelling of the Spirit of God and the Spirit comes by faith and not works. My righteous one shall live by faith. Will you someday stand before God and say, “I kept your law! Give me what I have earned!”. God forbid we say anything other than, “I am just an unworthy servant”. Someday there are going to be crowds of folks crying, “Look at all the great stuff we did in your name!” and Jesus is going to say to them, “Go away from me, I never knew you!” Don’t be in that crowd.

    • Hi there: The law cannot save…it is a taskmaster given to drive us to Christ….One would think you are describing Pharaoh.’ “Isn’t the command to “Be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect”?’….The Command is this…Love YHVH Your God with all your heart..all your soul…all your mind…all your strength’ First Great Commandment..2nd..Love your neighbor as your self’

      The Torah/Law is the Word that came down out of heaven, are you saying per Paul that YHVH is a ‘Task/Slave master? Are you saying that His Word, His Covenant is a ‘Yoke of Bondage? Are you saying that Heaven is the source of sin and slavery? Psa 119:142…’Thy Law is the Truth’

      Tell you what friend…if the Torah is slavery, then I gladly take that yoke upon me.

      Pro 6:23…The Commandment is the Lamp/Minora…The Torah/Law is the Light…

      Have you ever asked the Living God if HE agrees with Saul of Tarsus? Or is Paul your god? Don’t mean for that to be insulting…but it’s a serious question?

      Michael

      • Hi Michael, I can see that this is going to be a difficult conversation because you utterly reject Paul’s writings and I side with Peter (2 Peter 3:15-16) in that Paul’s writings are Scripture and can be hard to understand and are often mistreated just like the other Scriptures. Then again, I don’t know whether you will accept Peter’s epistles as authoritative or anything in what we commonly refer to as the bible for that matter. If we can, we need to establish some common ground. I’ve read through a bunch of your posts and it seems as though you will refer to Moses (the first five books), some Psalms, a prophet or two, the Gospel accounts and things written by the apostle John. Is there anything else in the bible that you will appeal to?

        How about James, are you good with his epistle? He talks about the 2nd great command (love neighbor as self) in chapter 2 of his letter and how that if you really fulfill that according to scripture you are doing well. However, then he says that if you keep the whole Law and stumble in one point you are guilty of the whole Law. Better not hang your hat on that peg unless you think you have been perfect (whoo…scary boast!)

        This is in keeping with what Jesus said regarding love of neighbor in his great sermon (Mat 5:48), “Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect”…his words, not mine. Just a little earlier (v. 20) Jesus said that we can’t get into the kingdom of heaven unless our righteousness massively exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, who were known to be sticklers to the Torah. The idea here is that we just ain’t gonna make that grade. But see, just prior to that statement Jesus said that since the Law is unmovable and will not go away or bend at all for any man until it is fulfilled he came to fulfill it. That’s right! Jesus clearly said, in his greatest sermon, that once the Law was accomplished/ fulfilled it would pass away and that he came to accomplish/fulfill it. Would you agree that Jesus accomplished everything the Father gave him to do (John 17:4)?

        So, are you trying to establish your own righteousness by keeping the law (remember, you have to be perfect or you fail without mercy) or will you admit that you cannot and that you need the Son of God to keep it for you? He has borne your sin (lawlessness) in his body on the cross and he will put his righteousness (perfect legal standing) to your account before God but you must receive this unfathomable gift by faith. You must believe it to be true. You must put all of your trust in Him whom the Father has sent. This is the pearl of great price and you must sell everything to buy it.

        I am personally glad that God gave the law to drive me to Christ. If he hadn’t, I would never have known how desperately I needed saving.

      • And yet Yahshua said ‘Depart from Me, you who forsake the Torah…..I never knew you!

        I am personally glad that God gave the law to drive me to Christ.

        In nearly 40 years of this walk….never at any time have I ever heard of or seen a Christian do the Torah/Law.

        How is it you Christians can stand in Judgement of the Living God? To accuse Him of inflicting Israel with a curse, that you say is the Law? How can you stand with Paul in slandering the ‘Covenant of Sinai’ which is the Ten Commandments? How can you say YHVH keeps a curse in the Holy of Holies, How can you say that the Marriage Covenant was or is a ‘Yoke of Bondage’?

        How can you say that the word of Paul has ‘ALL Authority’? How can you so minimize the Son of God as to utterly reject His Word ‘I AM NOT COME TO DESROY THE TORAH!!!!

      • Michael,
        I think we have some common ground. The law is entirely as good, perfect, clean, just, righteous, and holy as the Lord God Almighty Himself. You may not be able to accept this right now but this was also Paul’s very high view of the law. Both it and it’s Giver are pure light and in them is no darkness at all, neither shadow of turning. There is no fault in it whatsoever. It is beautiful.

        The fault lies within us; within the weakness of our sinful flesh. The command to Adam was: ‘Don’t or you will die’. The temptation was: ‘You won’t die. Instead, you won’t need God to tell you right from wrong. You will be like God’. Adam bought the lie; he internalized that desire and God’s Word as a guiding principle died in him. Like begets like. We are all born the same way. Sons of Adam. Sinners by nature.

        The law itself is not a curse but there is a curse associated with it. If we undertake to establish our own righteousness before God by obeying the law then we are beholden to keep every bit of it perfectly. “Cursed be anyone who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” We cannot keep the law to this degree: we simply do not have the ability for perfection. Our sins have separated us from our God.

        God is well aware of our weakness. He knows that we are dust. He knows that we are stiff-necked, sinful, and weak. He knows that adherence to the law is beyond us. That is why, when the codified Law was given through Moses, God also gave the tabernacle, priesthood, sacrificial system, and atonement by blood. In mercy and grace He was providing a way that he could dwell with the people he had chosen for himself. The tables of stone were placed in the ark of the testimony inside the tabernacle. It was covered by the mercy seat. It and all the implements of worship were consecrated by blood. The Holy of Holies was separated by a thick veil. Only the priests could approach God there, only seldom and at prescribed times, never without blood for both their own sins and the sins of the people. Atoning sacrifice came with and is part of the Law because the Lord knows no human can approach Him by keeping it and yet He wants to dwell with us and be our God and have us as His people.

        And at just the right time God sent forth His Son, born under the law, to redeem those under the law. You are correct! Jesus did not come to destroy the Law…He came to fulfill it. At least that is what he said (to quote the entire verse). And He did fulfill it. The righteousness that God requires through the law has been both met and obtained for us by His Son. The curse associated with the law has been born for us by that same Son. The blood required in the law for atonement has been shed, not repeatedly, but once for all by the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. He went one time, as high priest with no beginning or end (think Melchizedek), behind the veil with his own sinless blood and forever opened a way. The veil was torn from top to bottom. Free access! He did that for me and for you because we cannot.

        We are sinners. All that remains is for us to accept what He has done…to repent and believe. Only then can the righteous requirements of the law be met in us. I am sad to say that anyone who refuses Christ’s sacrifice and insists on obtaining their own righteousness through the law is still on the wrong side of the veil and still under the accompanying curse given from Mount Ebal (Deut. 27). Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

        If you hear His voice today do not harden your heart.

      • Hi Mike You had said ‘weakness of our sinful flesh.’ where besides Paul do you find the source of sin as the ‘flesh’ The Word says ‘The Soul that sins shall die’ Adam did not choose with his flesh….he chose with his heart. Paul gives the flesh a life of it’s own.
        Try using Deu 13 as a test for the prophets and you will find that Paul is utterly disqualified not only as a prophet but as an Apostle.

  • Saved means we received, accept, and commit to live in the mindfulness/aletheia of Holy Consciousness/hagios pneuma. John 14:26
    Yahuahshua came to teach the way of mindfulness/aletheia. John 18:37
    We worship in consciousness/pneuma and mindfulness/aletheia. John 4:24
    We learn from the consciousness/pneuma of/ho mindfulness/aletheia. John 14:26/John 16:13
    Knowing/ginosko gained from mindfulness/aletheia frees/eleutheroo us from bondage to unconsciousness. John 8:32
    We are known as those that care/agape for one another. John 13:35
    We are perfectly One/teleioo heis. John 17:23

  • Mishaya, I’m grateful for this post. and I agree with what you said here. Satan has a movement going on online and in churches, “Lordship Salvationists” vs. “Easy Believers.” I’ve taken quite a beating by those who subscribe to the latter belief in passive belief in the Gospel vs. obeying the Gospel. “Easy Believers” believe that the necessity to repent of sins is “works salvation,” while I believe that repenting of sins is not THE MERITORIOUS GROUND of salvation, but is the CONDITION of salvation. As you pointed out, God said, “This my beloved Son…obey HIM.”

  • Mishaya, I’m grateful for this post. and I agree with what you said here. Satan has a movement going on online and in churches, “Lordship Salvationists” vs. “Easy Believers.” I’ve taken quite a beating by those who subscribe to the latter belief in passive belief in the Gospel vs. obeying the Gospel, and repenting of sins NOT AS THE MERITORIOUS GROUND of salvation, but as the CONDITION of salvation.

    • The fact that obedience is shunned, speaks volumes. As horrific as the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by HRC supporters on Nov 8, is nothing compared to what it will be like for the Christians when they hear these words ‘Depart from Me, you who forsake the law, I never knew you.’

  • Nice blog i like your post thank u Nice blog i like your post thank u …

  • Mishaya: I’m born of Jesus not of Paul .. Adopted into His son ship by the blood of Jesus only I couldn’t do it without God’s Grace ! You’re basically saying you don’t need Jesus when you denounce God’s Grace brother but anyway I was just making a statement about the Word of God is God Inspired no matter who wrote what book. What you say about pisteuo is right on the money though many people just think that “believe” means to just that simply believe but that’s not what Paul wrote and preached we have just Americanized Pauls words and thus reduced the message unless you do an intensive word study out of the original Greek and Hebrew

    • At this time Jaybo the whole church is in bed with Paul, most are not even familiar with the words of Yahshua. The ‘sinners prayer’ is an abomination and was never taught by the Son. The teachings of Paul are utterly irrelevant unless of course you believe that the words of Yahsua are not enough. 12 years ago I was given a vision, in that vision I saw rise up from the gospels the tree of life and I saw rise up out of the Pauline Epistles an ugly black gnarly tree, it was death. Paul’s words were never inspired by God. The Holy Spirit said ‘from now on, either you are abiding in My Word or you are not, period. I never read Paul nor study him anymore, what’s the point…he’s death to the soul. Of the many good websites out there that expose this apostate one that is among the best of the best is http://www.jesuswordsonly.com Take the time to consider that, not once does Paul ever quote Yahshua and yet Yahshua said that the Holy Spirit would remind the disciples of Yahshua’s words. Obviously Paul knew none of them and the Holy Spirit is not the author of Paul’s words.

  • Right on point!

    • Thanks for responding to that comment Uriel, I had missed that one 🙂 Now here’s something curious about that thief…here he goes to paradise and yet…the resurrection had not yet happened. No Pauline sinner’s prayer here, the thief confessed his sin which is obedience to what was taught. Again, Evan read James and try fasting Paul for next several years and everything will begin to make sense, being purged of Paul is same thing as being purged of the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy and falsehood.

      • All scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteous so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work! Yes we must obey that is certainly what Jesus meant but even John the Baptist who BAPTIZED jesus said he was unworthy to untie His sandals so we all need the Grace of God everyday as Paul teaches and preaches about!

      • Jaybo, there are those born of Paul who will never see nor enter the Kingdom, and anything smacking of obedience to the Son is an anathema to them and they shall inherit the legacy of fools.

  • So if you have to obey and not simply believe, then how was the thief saved on the cross? He never had time to obey, but yet he was to be in paradise with Christ…..I think obeying comes from belief. If we belief we will then obey. If we do not belief we will then be disobedient.

    • James 2:24 addresses this matter. By works a man is justified and not by faith only.

    • For the thief on the cross to access God’s grace he performed two laws: he confessed his sin (Luke 23.41) then called upon the name of Yahshua for deliverance (Luke 23.42). These acts fulfilled two laws: repentance (Lev 4.20, 26, 31, 35; 5.10; 6.7; 1 Kings 8.47-48; Is 30.15) and calling upon the Holy name (1 Kings 8.35; 2 Chron 6.26; Rom 10.13). Yahshua made it a requirement for everybody desiring entrance into the kingdom to perform the law of repentance. Mt 3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” God’s grace can only be accessed through the Law. Teaching that grace is granted independent of any lawful behavior on our part contradicts God Himself.

  • Hi Mishaya:

    My name is Samuel. I’m 18 years old now, but since I was 16-17 I found the apostle Paul very contradicting. I notice he teached a doctrine very different to what Jesus and, later, James taught. This made me lose confidence in the Bible, but it too made me look for more information about the original doctrines Jesus and, later, his 12 apostles taught. Looking I found a book called The Authentic Peter: the Preaching of Simeon Kefa from the Journal of T. Flavius Clemens, “Clement” and I too found To The Children of Love and Peace: the Letter of Bar Naba which is to be found in the Codex Sinaiticus. After reading them I marveled. The two books teach obedience to the Torah and, interestingly, in The Authentic Peter in page 296 the apostle Peter writes in a letter for Ya’akov [I belief this is James]: “For some from among the Goyim [Gentiles] have rejected my Torah-observant preaching, attaching themselves to certain Torahless and trifling preaching of the MAN WHO IS MY ENEMY.” When I read this Paul came to my mind. I don’t believe in Paul as an apostle or a disciple of Jesus anymore. Actually, the book of Revelation makes reference to the 12 apostles, but there is never mentioned a 13th apostle. If Paul were authentic, he would be the 13th apostle, because Judas was already replaced by Mathias according to Acts 1:15-26. So everything points to Paul.

  • Hi There
    Yeah, the reference is at the top of the article, right beneath the title.

  • However, scholars now realize obey was a common meaning of pisteuo in ancient Greek.

    Do you have references for this statement?

    • Hi there
      Just giving it again in case you had not subscribed to further comments.

      • Whoops I read your article and also the link and still missed the reference to Strongs. I don’t have that dictionary but I looked in BDAG and a couple of others and they don’t list pisteuo as meaning obey. I’m happy that believing must include obeying (James somewhere) but I disagree that pisteuo means obey.

      • Hi Mike:
        The dictionaries he was referring to were ‘Liddel Scott’ ‘Vines’ ‘Vincent’ and quite few others, but it is a very lengthy article. However to define pisteuo as simply ‘to passively believes’ makes Yahshua contradict himself on numerous occasions where He stressed obedience to His Word. Even when The Father spoke on the Mount of Transfiguration He said ‘This is My Beloved Son, Hear ye Him.’ The word ‘hear’ in the Hebrew literally means to ‘hear and obey.’ Which is quite a ways from passively believing something yet not doing it. Yahshua says He likens the wise man to this ‘He who comes to Me hears My Word and does it.’ It’s worthless to come to Him listen to His word or teachings and then not do them.
        That’s why He says to a certain multitude ‘Depart from Me, I never knew you, you who work lawlessness.
        So that’s why ‘Pisteuo’ is far more in line with ‘obeying’ than simply believing.
        Also as you had mentioned James, I believe you were referring to James 1:18-21. James says that it is obedience to ingrafted or inborn Word of Truth that is able to save our souls. Well we already know that the Son of God is the Word of Truth.

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